{"id":65,"date":"2011-01-28T00:33:31","date_gmt":"2011-01-27T23:33:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blogs.nd.edu\/schoolofsalamanca\/?p=65"},"modified":"2011-03-25T19:48:34","modified_gmt":"2011-03-25T18:48:34","slug":"las-fuentes-a-conversation-with-ramon-hernandez-o-p","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/sites.nd.edu\/schoolofsalamanca\/2011\/01\/28\/las-fuentes-a-conversation-with-ramon-hernandez-o-p\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Las Fuentes&#8221;: A Conversation with Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez, O.P."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>One of the many\u00a0great benefits (unworthily I should say)\u00a0of studying this topic is that I have had the privilege of meeting some of the most brilliant theological minds of our age. Last semester at Notre Dame, Padre Gustavo Guti\u00e9rrez offered his seminar on Las Casas. I was able to audit it. Sitting around for two and half hours a week with such\u00a0keen students from across the disciplines (theology, law, and history) in the presence of Padre Gustavo was nothing short of ecstatic. Gustavo&#8217;s utterly courageous\u00a0intellect and wit\u00a0is deeply rooted in his love for the\u00a0holiness of Christ present among\u00a0the forgotten and neglected. He is the stuff of saints, in my opinion. Yesterday, I met another person of deep holiness and unstinting erudition. He is a\u00a0virtual unkown in the states. He is Padre Ram\u00f3n Hern\u00e1ndez.<\/p>\n<p>When I arrived in Salamanca over a week ago, I was under the impression that Padre Ram\u00f3n was living in Rome. The helpful library assistants at San Esteban informed me immediately that he was not in Rome, but now residing once again at the priory that he taught at for so many years.\u00a0 I finally had the chance to meet and talk with him in person. We had a conversation for about an hour that felt like the eternal now. I was glad I had my Moleskine handy. Even at his ripened age, Padre Ram\u00f3n could throw out references and theses left and right. I was not able to keep up but I divulge at least the surface of that enjoyable conversation we had.<\/p>\n<p>Padre Ram\u00f3n is a maverick. In a period\u00a0of impasse between &#8220;Lascasistas&#8221; and &#8220;Vitorianos&#8221; typified by thinkers like Isacio P\u00e9rez Fern\u00e1ndez and Ram\u00f3n Men\u00e9ndez Pidal, respectively,\u00a0Padre Ram\u00f3n breaks down the barriers and prejudices. Similar to the way Gustavo speaks about &#8220;drinking from our own wells,&#8221; Ram\u00f3n wants to return to &#8220;las fuentes,&#8221; or the original sources or &#8220;springs&#8221; shared\u00a0by these\u00a0sixteenth-century figures in question.\u00a0His writings capture this spirit of unity, rather than division. That is not to say that he ignores their differences. Ram\u00f3n is well aware\u00a0that Las Casas and Vitoria differed with regard to how the address the Amerindian question. But these differences were not fundamentally opposed and\u00a0should not be overlooked in the effort\u00a0of serving reigning theo-political interests.<\/p>\n<p>One such source that I alluded to in my last post was the disciplinary code formed at the Dominican priory\u00a0of San Esteban in the sixteenth century. Although Las Casas was not formed\u00a0as a\u00a0Dominican\u00a0in Salamanca,\u00a0the confessors and preachers who won his heart certainly were. Among these first Dominicans from San Esteban were Pedro de Cordoba, Bernardo\u00a0de Santo Domingo, and of course, Antonio de Montesinos. Vitoria and his student, Domingo de Soto, belonged to this same original\u00a0community. More than that, these theologian-pastors were responsible for selecting the best and brighest from San Esteban to be missionaries in the New World. So much did Las Casas value this judgment that when he was asked to return to the Americas after being chosen as bishop of Chiapas in the 1540s, he brought back dozens of San Esteban friars with him. Friars who were taught by their master, Vitoria.<\/p>\n<p>Padre Ram\u00f3n informed me of the chronicle of Tom\u00e1s de la Torre, O.P. He was one of the friars sent back with Las Casas. His chronicle\u00a0has been\u00a0published in Spanish as <em>Diario de viaje de Salamanca\u00a0 Ciudad Real\u00a0de Chiapa, 1544-1545<\/em>. Ram\u00f3n, who appreciates good films from what I gathered, suggested that this journey would make an incredible biopic. He also mentioned that he was recently asked to see one of the Spanish\u00a0movies entered into the &#8220;Best Foreign Film&#8221; category for the Oscars entitled: &#8220;Y Tambien la lluvia&#8221; (Even the Rain). The film, which I have not seen as of yet and stars Gael Garcia Bernal, is the story of a film director who travels to Bolivia where there is a social crisis unfolding regarding the privatization of water. What is compelling is that the film they are making is about the Spanish conquest of America and two of their key characters are Las Casas and Montesinos. Juxtaposing\u00a0real historical characters with an ongoing\u00a0struggle in Latin American\u00a0politics\u00a0surely makes for effective storytelling. Padre Ram\u00f3n said he was moved to tears by the film. I say no more.<\/p>\n<p>Yet there is so much more to say about our meeting\u00a0that no mere post could suffice. What I received from Ram\u00f3n was so much more than I could ever return. I was happy that I did point him to a couple of sources he had yet to read. One of which (an English-speaking author, obviously) is David Lupher&#8217;s <em>Romans in a New World: Classical Models in Sixteeenth-Century Spanish America<\/em>. This much under-appreciated work among\u00a0Christian ethicists\u00a0examines the role that the model of the Roman Empire had on theologians and lawyers in the debates over conquest. In line with Ram\u00f3n&#8217;s project, Lupher shows how some of the most notable voices from the School of Salamanca along with Las Casas contributed to a strong\u00a0critique of Spanish crown policy by using the example of pagan\u00a0Rome as precedent.<\/p>\n<p>I left Padre Ram\u00f3n at San Esteban with the hope and expectation of meeting again and again. I was humbly reminded of his intellectual stature when he pulled out his notepad, which was about the size of his palm. Less notes for someone who learns little from neophytes. The phrase that has been haunting me ever since our meeting was one he shared with me during our conversation.\u00a0It only proves\u00a0his status as a provocateur: &#8220;Vitoria es mas lascasiano que el vivo Las Casas.&#8221; As I ponder this, do you have any thoughts? If you read Spanish and are interested in his work, I point you to the following website, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.freewebtown.com\/oprhernandez\/\">http:\/\/www.freewebtown.com\/oprhernandez\/<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the many\u00a0great benefits (unworthily I should say)\u00a0of studying this topic is that I have had the privilege of meeting some of the most brilliant theological minds of our age. Last semester at Notre Dame, Padre Gustavo Guti\u00e9rrez offered his seminar on Las Casas. I was able to audit it. 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