Douglass as Ireland’s Hero?

In class this past week, we discussed Frederick Douglass’ views on the Irish plight in comparison to that of American slaves. From what I ascertained, the main question was whether Douglass should’ve have sympathized with and aligned more with the Irish struggles. Although some may say he should have, I would say that he has no obligation to Ireland, just as they have no obligation to American slaves. He came to  Ireland for a purpose, which was to escape possible capture and to promote his book and the anti-slavery cause. Further, from the Transatlantic book, it was apparent that he was still processing his own trauma from slavery. For example, when he was getting  measurements done at the tailor, it says that he “flinched a moment when the tape was put around his neck” and he had “never been measured by a white man before” (56). Also when discussing temperance and his reasons for not drinking, he states that he “did not want to lose control” and that there was “too much of the master in it” (58). It is clear from these examples that he is going through enough of his own mental turmoil to adopt more external trauma. Even beyond his internal struggles, it is clear to me and was clear to Douglass and that the struggles between the Black and Irish in America were not equivalent. The Irish were never oppressed for characteristics they couldn’t change. For the most part, you can not really tell if someone is Irish on just by their physical appearance, which isolates them from a whole realm of discrimination that Black people face. They are able to change their identity when it suits them, which is exactly what happened when they came to America. The widespread  anti-slavery sentiment did not fully carry over when they realized that Black people were their competition, not their brothers and sister in the fight against oppressive forces. Jenkins discusses this phenomenon thoroughly in “Beyond the Pale”, where he stated that the vast majority of Irish Americans were actively pro-slavery or at least firmly tolerant of it. They heavily desired to assimilate into American society and would do whatever it took to not end up destitute like how they were in Ireland. If the Irish emigrants are so willing to hold Black people in disregard then why should Douglass be willing to be a savior to them?

2 responses to “Douglass as Ireland’s Hero?”

  1. cpracht

    I completely agree with your point Lola about how neither the Irish nor the American slaves really had an obligation to help each other because they were both dealing with major social issues at the time. To explain my point in class a little bit more, I was mostly arguing that, because of this lack of obligation to each other, it might have been a little inappropriate for Douglass to seek financial help from the Ireland at the time. We definitely see the sympathy that he has for the poor of Ireland, and I do not think that Douglass was intentionally acting in a way that ignored Ireland’s struggles. He clearly states near the beginning of the text that Dublin was as he expected it to be, and that he did not anticipate the immense poverty. But overall I think that you are right, and that he absolutely would not be expected to try to help the Irish, because like you mention, he is grappling with his own trauma and fighting for Abolition.

  2. motoole

    This is a really great point to make. I agree that Douglass had no obligation to the Irish, considering his own trauma from escaping slavery and the weight of the fight for Abolition that he carried. It is also very true that the Irish in America grabbed on to the opportunity that white skin provided them with, and choose that privilege over standing in solidarity with Black Americans. I also do see Professor Kinyon’s point as well— that Douglass could not fully see the struggle of the Irish because he could not speak out against the people who brought him over from America.

2 Replies to “Douglass as Ireland’s Hero?”

  1. I completely agree with your point Lola about how neither the Irish nor the American slaves really had an obligation to help each other because they were both dealing with major social issues at the time. To explain my point in class a little bit more, I was mostly arguing that, because of this lack of obligation to each other, it might have been a little inappropriate for Douglass to seek financial help from the Ireland at the time. We definitely see the sympathy that he has for the poor of Ireland, and I do not think that Douglass was intentionally acting in a way that ignored Ireland’s struggles. He clearly states near the beginning of the text that Dublin was as he expected it to be, and that he did not anticipate the immense poverty. But overall I think that you are right, and that he absolutely would not be expected to try to help the Irish, because like you mention, he is grappling with his own trauma and fighting for Abolition.

  2. This is a really great point to make. I agree that Douglass had no obligation to the Irish, considering his own trauma from escaping slavery and the weight of the fight for Abolition that he carried. It is also very true that the Irish in America grabbed on to the opportunity that white skin provided them with, and choose that privilege over standing in solidarity with Black Americans. I also do see Professor Kinyon’s point as well— that Douglass could not fully see the struggle of the Irish because he could not speak out against the people who brought him over from America.

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